Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 6 days ago
The only fanatics threatening civilization today are Islamic militant expansioniast. AKA jihadists.The rest if just intellectually bankrupt moral relativism.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 6 days ago
..."the rest if just intellectually bankrupt moral....". If you are too afraid to look at yourself in a mirror, you can't judge anybody else.If you do, that's "bankrupt moral relativism".
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 5 days ago
This has nothing to do with me. This is a question of factual differences between Islams violence, slavery and open misogyny vs the rest of the civilized world.YOu are confusinig the facts with something personal.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
Western civilization (or "the rest of the civilized world", for you), became "civilized" the moment it SEPARATED RELIGION FROM STATE MATTERS.That's when Chrsitianity jumped technologically and socially from the rest. And that's the ONLY difference (and 200-300 year advantage). This means, by becoming LESS Christian! --LOL.You didn't know?..."factual differences between Islams violence, slavery and open misogyny...". As mentioned before, that's exactly the sme things Christians followed for (and practiced) for 1,600 years.Want examples? No problem for me. That's easy. Think about that when you reply.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
Show me where Christ instructs to spread the word "by using terror" and "striking necks".
Show me where Christ instructs how to molest pre-teens.Show me where Christ instructs on when, why and how to keep slaves.
Show me where Christ instructs men to beat their wives.
Otherwise just admit you SUCK as an islamist apologist and feel free to stfu because you are just spamming now.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."If Christians behave like Christ did,....". You forget all the deranged, blood thirsty Christian prophets. If they are not sacred anymore, let me know.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
Now you are deliberately dodging and avoiding the point.let me sum it up to make it crystal clear:Muslims will always be more violent because Mohammed was a violent, murdering rapist according to Islams own doctrine.Meanwhile, those who wish to emulate Christ will turn the other check and let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone.These lead examples and those who follow them are as different as life and death.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."Now you are deliberately dodging ...". -No. Muslims will be more fanatic because they are ruled by religion. Western countries aren't (for at least 2 centuries). That's all...."Muslims will always be more violent because Mohammed was a violent,...". Wrong. As bad as they are, "Muslims" HAVE NOT reached the level of Barbarism, record Death numbers, wars. explotation and genocides held by 'Christian' countries for millenia,Want examples? Let tme know. That's also pretty easy to back up.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
You are totally missing the point.No one is saying there are not or have not been violent Christians.
Just pointing out the FACTS as to why the violence continues in Islam.Christian doctrine does not support violence against anyone.Islam is ALL ABOUT violence to non-believers and women.This is a HUGE, irreconcilable difference.
Islam is violent because Mohammed was violent and a rapist.There is just no comparison to that in Christ.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
..."It's the doctrine man.....". Seems you candidly ignore your own. After the Chinese, Christian Nations have done the worst and deadliest wars ever, many on behalf --or using that 'doctrine' to justify them.Religions (all of them) can be pretty useful to do the worst things. Mostly, for POLITICAL and Economic ($$) reasons.Ignoring this, will make whatever problem deeper and harder to solve.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 6 days ago
I didn't ignore anything.
I was very specific as to why Islam continues to be so violent and misogynistic compared to any other belief system on earth.
There simply is no western comparison to Islamic doctrine towards non-believers or Islamic jurisprudences discrimination against women.
All you have done is engage in ridiculously disingenuous efforts at moral relativism.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 6 days ago
...."I was very specific as to why Islam continues to be....". --You mean, 1,500 Million Muslims are set to kill you? You believe that? Or only a few?You love to ignore why Christians stopped to follow the barbaric "examples" written in their book, and some Muslims don't.Maybe you are in religious campaign of your own. -LOL
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 5 days ago
I didn't ignore anything. I acknowledged a violent past in ALL faiths and explained in detail what sets Islam aside. Mainly it's violence, child-rape and bigotry. I then illustrated how specifically it is islamic doctrine that is the cause.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
."Only the Koran gives ongoing instructions to current and future adherents...". Wrong.--“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” --Isaiah 13:15-16--" “Command the people of Israel, and say to them, When you enter the land of Canaan (this is the land that shall fall to you for an inheritance, the land of Canaan as defined by its borders)...". --Numbers, 34:2--"...it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is driving them out before you...". --Deuteronomy, 9:6.Even Ben Gurion commented that the Bible was a nice inspiration to 'justify' stealing land without any compensation. And many other Christian Imperial nations had stated the same thing until recentlyReligions (all of them) can be so convenient for NON Religious actions, like wars, invasions, exploitations, mass murders...
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 6 days ago
Recounting historic battles is just not the same as the ONGOING instructions for violence and rape the Koran and Hadiths give to Muslims.This is the entire reason Muslims engage in such viciousness in the name of the Koran.
Christians simply don't have the support for such barbarism in their doctrine.Again..Mohammed was a violent rapist and slave-holder according to Islams own doctrine.
Muslims who wish to emulate him will do likewise.The Biblical Christ killed no one, raped no one and is the source of the abolition of slavery in the world today.
Christians who wish to emulate him will do likewise.This is not rocket science.You need to stop defending evil.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 6 days ago
..."Recounting historic battles is just not the same as the ONGOING instructions for violence....". --Sorry, but the bloodmongering nonsense written by Isaiah, was a PROPHECY......"Again..Mohammed was a violent rapist and slave-holder..." . --Again, not much different from many barbaric Bible prophets. We can go on for months, no problem for me.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 5 days ago
see moreI have addressed this clearly but I will again:
Christianity only has one deity as does Islam.
While it is true other principles in each faith receive varying degrees of acceptance in their respective faiths, only 1 actual holy, divine deity in each faith universally is accepted as the top of their hierarchy.
Islams primary deity Mohammed was a murderer, rapist and slave trader.
Christianity's Jesus was a celibate, completely peaceful refuge for the slave.Each sides followers will try to emulate their religious icon.
Therefor a significant number of Muslims will ALWAYS kill, rape, practice slavery and open bigotry, as this is what Mohammed did.None of these things are supported in the Christian doctrine. There are certainly stories of, and predictions of great violence and strife in the Christian doctrine but:
There is no death for apostasy.
There is no mandate to strike non-believers at the neck and fill their hearts with terror.
There is no mandate to beat ones wife.That is why Muslims do these things in the name of Allah but Christians do NOT do these things in the name of Christ.NOTHING you say can mitigate the monumental moral asymmetry between these two bodies of belief.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
They only thing you have "addressed", is that you hate 1,500 Million people, with very easy generalizations. At the same time time, ignoring 1,600 years of aggressive, violent Chrstianity -- maybe it was even WORSE than Islam at some point...You also ignore what is the place that Religion occupies in OUR Government and Society today, -which is pretty different from many Muslims countries. That's the ONLLY difference, and it's not in 'the books'.Don't like it? I suppose beause like your muslims, you are in a Religious campaign too, Makes pretty easy to forget about everything else.Confirmed. .
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
I don't hate anyone. I have Muslim brothers and worked for muslim diplomats for years.You are confusing facts with something personal.Let me recommend a book to you. It will help you clear up your significant misunderstanding of the Crusades and Reconquista.
"The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" by Robert Spencer
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
...." I have Muslim brothers and worked for muslim diplomats....". Good. So, you can tell what is the place their Religion occupies in ther Society.And what place Raligion occuppies in the "rest of the civilized world", or OUR society....That's how you will discover why some countries have more mindless fanatics than others. Regardless of the 'book' they follow, and in which century.
Famous Internet Guy Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
Peace Out my jihadi woman-beating apologist friend!
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."my jihadi woman-beating apologist....". --See? If you don't imagine and fantasize things, what could you write about?-LoL!
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
Bro. You have spent days in here defending the indefensible.
Literally pages of classic islamofascist apologetics.
False moral equivalences one right after the other.Mohammed was factually very violent and a rapist. This according to Islams own doctrine.
Christ was not
It is what it is.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."Christ was not" --True. But the Bible Prophets who wrote "Gods words" really were very sadist, violent and mysoginistic --among other things... . Want MORE Examples? Yes? No? No problem for me...."classic islamofascist apologetics...". Really? Do I apologize or deny their fanaticism,.their backwardness, or the social disasters, wars and massacres they do? No. All that is absurd and stupid to me.I just told you explanation WHY, that is more reasonable and useful than yours (yours is just hating 1,500 Million people, and that's all, no solution). -LOL.Actually, YOU are who's denying things here. Some 2,000 years of mostly pretty violent and warring Christian History "only"-Maybe that's your problem. Disqualifying everybody is part of your "faith"... Easy! -LoL!..."You have spent days in here ...." You replied to me first, remember? I'm happy to answer you back, and that's what I'm doing. -Again...
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
You totally misunderstand me then.
I am speaking from the position of a secular political science perspective. That is why I have been quick to agree with you on past violence of all religions including Christianity.
I was pointing out the bigger picture as to the effects of these different belief systems and ideologies on their respective societies and conversely those societies dynamics with other, competing societies.
When looking through the prism of time though a religious lens, one might see it differently and feel compelled to illogical apologetics.
I do no such thing.
The differences I am pointing out are very real and have very real impacts on those members of societies under Sharia. In particular women and non-muslims.
No other ideology on earth and certainly no other mainstream religion is as "retrograde"
Famous Internet Guy Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
"No stronger retrograde force exists in the world." Winston Churchill
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
I have not denied anything.
You just have not said anything that mitigates my points in any way because of ....facts.
Danza Invisible Sun Risings • 5 days ago
Sun Risings
In case our fervent Christian friend doesn't read, here it goes again:
-The Leadership of European Countries separated Religion from State matters 200 years earlier. That's the only difference (and advantage).
For POLITICAL and ECONOMIC ($$) Reasons, mostly---Finding out which Religion is more absurd and bloody, is worthless. BOTH are.Simple!
Sun Risings Danza Invisible • 4 days ago
Correct. It appears this "Christian friend" only wants to convert people (and hate a lot more)
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Looks like both Muslims and "devout" Chrsitians love to ignore why the SEPARATION OF RELIGION FROM THE STATE exists.That's "complicated", for both of them... but has worked pretty well for the rest of us.
Danza Invisible Sun Risings • 4 days ago
They guy is a nutcase. A "believer". Can't reason with guys like this.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
I'm just a constitutional Originalist in the spirit on Justice Scalia.There is nothing complicated about the difference between Islam and all other religions.Ones primary deity rapes kids, murders and promotes slavery.
The rest don't
The results are obvious all over the globe today.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
"Ones primary deity rapes kids, murders and promotes slavery...". --Mmmm... only them? . I already posted you the SAME horrible things atributed to "God" and his Prophets. in the Chrsitian Bible.Want more examples?You're in DENIAL now. --LOL.So, there is nothing complicated about accepting why and when RELIGION GOT SEPARATED FROM THE STATE, and what happened next....We've come a long way thanks to that. Others, still can't do it, and you see what happens.Simple.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
No. There is no record of David or Jesus raping anyone or "dreaming of union" with 5 ear olds. Sorry.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
Only one.
Can you name another global religion who primary deity raped slaves, married a 6 year old, consummated the marriage (violated her) at 9 when he was a 53 year old man?
Can you name another religious figurehead that instructs followers to use terror to spread the word and strike those who do not believe at the neck?No. You can't.
Worse yet, you KNOW you can't and are just hoping your spam will bury the facts.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
"Can you name another global religion who primary deity raped slaves,...". Yes. Judaism. And that's in the Chrsitian Bible too.
It was worse than what you mention. Bible Prophets actually ordered (by "the word of God") to burn and slaughter entire cities, rape the women and kill chidren MANY TIMES: Those are not only "past battles". Some are warnings and prophecies yet to come.Oh, and a lttle reminder. This Muhammed guy IS NOT a "Deity". He was only a Prophet. To Jewish and Muslims, God is the ONLY Deity.See? Your'e getting bit incoherent by now. Wonder why..--LOL.II'm going to eat. something. Don't wait for my reply until later.Hehe...
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
This is simply not true.
You are now fabricating stories of "everyone does it so bla bla bla" to defend child-rape.
Unreal.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
You're still completely failing to refute, or even address my main point:
Only Islam gives ongoing instructions to present and future adherent to wage war against the non-believer, engage in slavery and beat their wives.
This is why Islam does this all over the world and the others do not.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
When confused about the words I use, just refer to the dictionary.Full Definition of deity pluraldeities1 a : the rank or essential nature of a god : divinityb capitalized : god 1, supreme being2 : a god or goddess <the deities="" of="" ancient="" greece="">3 : one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful
Danza Invisible Famous Internet Guy • 3 days ago
That "Fanatic Internet Guy" is a fanatic freak.. The Koran
only mandates that the women cover they CHEST. That's all. What we call burka, IS NOT A RELIGIOUS MANDATE IN ISLAM. Just a
backward cionservative CUSTOM. Nothng else.He is as crazy as the fanatic Muslims who ignore this.--"BURQA NOT MANDATED IN THE QURAN" --The islamuc Research Foundation International, Inc."
http://www.irfi.org/articles/a...
Famous Internet Guy Danza Invisible • 3 days ago
"and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers," Q24:31
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Famous Internet Guy Guest • 3 days ago
see moreWrong. While it does not label the cover as a Burka, it describes what needs to be covered, effectively resulting in the same amount as a Burka by many Islamic legal interpretations.Covering is a religions mandate right out of the Koran.
Women all over the world are beaten, raped or worse by Muslims for not adhering.
Here are 2 more translations of Koran 24:31Mohsin Khan: And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.Shakir: And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.
Danza Invisible Famous Internet Guy • 3 days ago
Haha! Yiour're crazy. We, know, you're a nother Religious fanatic. DO you think somebody will take your BS CRAP seriously?
HAHah!!
--"Burka not mandated in the Quran"
http://www.irfi.org/articles/a...
Famous Internet Guy Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
Aisha's age at the time she was married to Muhammad has been of interest since the earliest days of Islam, and references to her age by early historians are frequent.[11] According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old.[10][11][12][13][14][23][24][25] For example, Sahih al-Bukhari states:Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."See also: Criticism of Muhammad (Aisha), Islam and children § Marriage, and Child marriage....". --I don't think Muslims wil care very much. To them, this Muhammed was only a prophet, nothing more...Again, to Jewish and Muslims, GOD is their only deity, nobody else, so...I guess Chrsitians have it more complicated.--LOL.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
Of course Muslims don't care. They WORSHIP the guy who had sex with nine year olds.Also Mohammed "dreamt of union" with Aisha when she was 4 or 5.
What kind of "prophet" dreams of humping 5 year olds?Incredible to see people try and defend this with false moral equivalences and other well-known fallacies.
Your parents must be so proud if you!
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
I think with Judaism that may be somewhat accurate but not with Islam, where Mohammed is "the perfect example for all mankind for ever" -- 9 year old humping and all, and apostasy is punishable by death. Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Baghavad Gita...ALL revolve around a single or sometimes plural deities whom the adherents will try and emulate.The problem being that when they try and emulate a head-chopping, wife-beating, kid-humper, it never ends well.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."The problem being that when they try and emulate a head-chopping, wife-beating, .."·--Huh... I already told you that the same things are in the Christian Bible . Not much difference. Want some MORE examples? Yes? No?I already told why Chrsitians stopped followng the blood thirsty parts of "God's words", and also stopped behaving like that (or way worse) not so long ago.Problems reading?-LOL.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
There is no compulsion to violence and rape by Christ. YOu can pretend, but there just isn't.
Mohammed lived by the sword and raped indiscriminately while encouraging his followers to do likewise.
Thus do their followers.
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