I'm a Muslim and I support criticism against niqaab. When all women are required to hide their faces in public we are sent the message that we are only begrudgingly allowed in pubic places and that it's not really our domain. It's 2016 and we need to stop thinking that what was done hundreds of years ago applies today. But of course stupid restrictions and rules are made when many people(Muslims) don't take context of Quran into account.
leon bushnell Misanthropia • 9 days ago
Down with the traditions of Islam! Down with creeping sharia law!! Down with religions of any ilk!!! Only a fool believes any religion can even hint at the wonder and mystery of whatever god is. And only a damned fool lives their life by traditions like religion which have brought untold misery to billions of lives. Down with Islam, down with any religion!!!!!
Sun Risings leon bushnell • 9 days ago
Relax. Covering a woman entirely, from face to toe, is a backward tradition, an absurd medieval habit, but not a religious mandate. And Muslims themselves are the first to ignore this fact.This proves that 'traditions' can be totally absurd things, and an obstacle to progress.
putito Sun Risings • 8 days ago
On the contrary, Muslim do not see that this proves 'traditions' can be totally absurd things, and an obstacle to progress. They see it as advancing Islam!Muslims don't find it absurd but in fact believe it is part and parcel of Islam which everyone; Muslim and non Muslims included must accept or force to accept.This is precisely what is happening in Saudi Arabia and in countries where Muslims are and have become the majority.The notion that "covering up " is not Islam but rather an Arab tradition is blowing smoke for those gullible to accept it. Otherwise they won't be raising such a ruckus, going berserk over a piece of black potato sack!People should realize the devious Muslim mentality. It is one track with no give or retreat. They use lies and deceits. If that don't work they resort to force and violence.After all, every Muslim are guided and coached by their Quran with specific instruction laid out for them and which they "programed" themselves with five time a day; everyday!
Taj Hakim putito • 8 days ago
Well said. There is a principle in Islam (English: "Submission") that I taught and promoted by the Quran called "taqqiya" which is, basically, that a Muslim may use deception and lies to further the cause of Islam. It is not a sin for a Muslim to deny being a Muslim to save his life or to make his way into trusted positions. All Muslims act innocent and progressive until their views are challenged or until they're in a position to exert Islamic influence. Ask a progressive Muslim what they think of gay people and you'll see.
Sun Risings putito • 8 days ago
..."Muslim do not see that this proves 'traditions' can be totally absurd thing....". --A lot of them don't even know this Burka covering is just a deranged 'tradition', a cultural habit (very absurd to me). A lot of them believe is a Religious Mandate, and it isn't.Most of Non-Muslims also think it's a Muslim Religious Mandate, and it isn't.Fanatism feeds on ignorance.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 8 days ago
Muslim men are the only people whom regularly beat their women for failing to cover while quoting Islamic doctrine.
It happens all over the world
Also, acid attacks are normal in Sharia regions where women have not covered "properly"
Claiming it really "isn't Islamic" is hardly an excuse if millions and millions of practicing muslims think it is.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 8 days ago
That's the problem. They (and you) 'think' it is. And it isn't.Fanatism feeds on ignorance.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 7 days ago
Of course it is.
Wife beating is in the Koran (4:34) in EVERY TRANSLATION on earth.Wife beating is one of the most Islamic things one can do when the wife "deserves it"...according to Mohammed.Either submit to the supremacy of their faith or admit you are a bigot!
Famous Internet Guy Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
PS:
"The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men." --Winston Churchill
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
...And by the way, the BURKA is not a Muslim Religious Mandate, even if many Muslims (and you) 'think' it is,
Danza Invisible Sun Risings • 6 days ago
Sun Risings, you're right. They still don't get it! Too much hatred numbs their reasoning. It's easier to hate than do some simple THINKING
putito Sun Risings • 5 days ago
Yes, we "think" it is because Muslims believe it is. Muslims are the only people who mandate it. Have you see anyone else besides Muslim wear the BURQA - willingly?So stop selling this crap that the burqa is not a religious mandate. As it is you already sound like an idiot. Why add a POS to it!
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 6 days ago
What I think is completely irrelevant.
What you don't get is millions cover under Sharia because Islamic jurisprudence DICTATES they do under threat of legalized violence.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 6 days ago
..."millions cover under Sharia because Islamic jurisprudence....·. Again, this degrading Burka IS NOT a "religious mandate". It's not in the Koran -and i'm sure you know it by now.If not, you share the same willing ignorance of many Muslims.Ignorance feeds Fanatism. And as you keep proving, cuts both ways.But if you too are in a Religious 'campaign', you simply get closer to those Muslims you hate so much. And like them, you will ignore and miss the solutions.
Danza Invisible Sun Risings • 6 days ago
Sun Risings: You have very good points:
-The Christian and Jewish Bible can be as bloody and violent as the Koran.
-For 1,600+ years, Christians were equally as savage and backward as Muslims. Probably more..-WHY Christians stopped (slowly) behaving like that?.Easy: First, because European Rulers discovered Religious Leaders were an obstacle to their power.Second, Because these Rulers understood the Reiigious meddling was an obstacle to ECONOMIC ($$) Progress in every field. (Science and SOCIAL progress were a byproduct of this reasoning).So,--The LEADERSHIP of the Richest Muslim Countries still rule aided by their Religious leaders. These regimes have no incentive ($$) to change this scheme. Actually, there has been a regression in the last 50 years.--The Leadership of European Countries separated Religion from State matters 200 years earlier. That's the only difference (and advantage). These are POLITICAL and ECONOMIC ($$) Reasons, among many.---Finding out which Religion is more absurd and bloody, is worthless. BOTH are.Simple
Famous Internet Guy Danza Invisible • 5 days ago
Bullshit.
Christ was non-violent and preached non-violence.
Mohammed said to spread Islam using terror and cut off heads of non-believers. He also killed hundreds if not thousands of people and raped many many prisoners before killing them.Religiously motivated violence fails the test of doctrinal support under Christianity, unlike Islam.
Danza Invisible Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
Yes Jesus was non-violent, but all the prophets who preceded him weren't, and all their nonsense remains "sacred"! . All the 'faithful' was even more savage for the remaining 2000 years! GREAT!ALL 'peaceful' Religions end up killing miillions.
Famous Internet Guy Danza Invisible • 4 days ago
Only On religion has a murderer and child rapist as its central deity.
Islam.
Famous Internet Guy Famous Internet Guy • 5 days ago
PS.
Also the bible does not in any way condone wife beating.The Koran does and MILLIONS of women are LEGALLY beaten all over the globe because of it.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 5 days ago
see moreIf Muslims mandate covering out of their common interpretation of accepted Islamic jurisprudence, in particular under risk of lawful violence against women under Sharia? Guess what!
That makes it a "religious mandate" whether you like it or not.[Quran 24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to God, O you believers, that you may succeed.[Quran 24:31] They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary.[Quran 33:55] The women may relax (their dress code) around their fathers, their sons, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, the other women, and their (female) servants. They shall reverence God. God witnesses all things.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
..."Wife beating is one of the most Islamic things...". Really? Killing women when raped, was also a very Christian thing to do:---..."If there is a young woman, a virgin already engaged to be married, and a man meets her in the town and lies with her, you shall...stone them to death, the young woman because she did not cry for help...". --Ephesians 5:22-23.Devout Catholics and Evengelists don't kill raped women today (even if that's "the word of God"), because their CULTURE advanced and forbids such a thing.A lot of Devout Muslims mistreat women in some places because their CULTURE hasn't advanced and allows many absurdities. It's not only a Religious matter. Many additional things cause this backwardness. Including ignorance.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 7 days ago
There is a reason that no other Abrahamic, or any mainstream faith stones women for adultery, kills people for apostasy, marries 6 year olds, rapes 9 year olds, dresses women in potato sacks under threat of violence, kills Jews indiscriminately and considers a womans testimony in court "unreliable".
The reason is because it is in the wellsprings of Islams mainstream doctrine over and over....and not in the others.The effects on women and non-believers all over the world is undeniable.
Surely you know this.When an Imam issues an "edict" to throw acid in the faces of uncovered women, it becomes Islamic LAW there and you KNOW it.The problem is not just "radical" Islam.
The problem is moderate muslims covering for it.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
..."There is a reason that no other Abrahamic, or any mainstream faith stones women...". --Oh, they did. Protestant Christians tortured and burned alive thousands of women, becuse they thought they were "witches".Catholic Christians also tortured and burned alive people because they were "heretics".Orthodox Christians massacred countless Jewish people in pogroms because... well, who knows?Your "reason" is not valid.These things don't happen anymore because Society and CULTURE evolved and forbid it
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Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 7 days ago
Plenty of violent history.
None of it in the actual religious doctrine of Christianity (turn the other cheek etc etc)This is why those things have not endured in judeo-christian cultures.
It is the Koran and Hadiths themselves that tell the believer to spread islam with terror and cut off heads.
Think about this:
The highest endeavor in either faith is to become as close to the primary diety as possible
Sura 8:12 is not a "misunderstanding" by Muslims, as apologists would claim.
There is no mandate from Christ to kill anyone and Christ never killed anyone.
Mohamed himself, the primary diety in Islam was an extremely violent rapist...according to Islams own doctrine.Lastly we know that the Koran is as much a political doctrine as a religion. We don't have "Christian law" but there are 4 distinct schools of Islamic jurisprudence used to govern in SHaria states and regions all over the globe.
This is THE problem.
It is THE difference.
Islam will not alow it's adherents to evolve because of the doctrine itself and the role the doctrine plays in the Muslims life.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
..."There is no mandate from Christ to kill anyone...". The Christian Bible does, a lot of times:---"Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’..".-Samuel 15:3---"But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and....". -Deuteronomy, 20:16-17There are worse Bible passages than thism and you know it.
picker_blend Sun Risings • 6 days ago
Interesting passages from the Bible. but, have you encountered any Christian lately who live by these passages? or any Christian who push for this agenda?
Sun Risings picker_blend • 6 days ago
..."Interesting passages from the Bible...". --Yeah, they are as bloodmongering as in the Koran. Equally barbaric...."have you encountered any Christian lately ....". --That's the important question you FINALLY allowed yourself to ask. WHY today's Christians don't follow the barbaric examples set by their prophets, and some muslims do?If you are in a Religious campaign (as your muslim 'friends' are), you will be missing the solutions. Just like them.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 7 days ago
see moreThere are plenty of historic battles recounted. You're completely missing the point.Only the Koran gives ongoing instructions to current and future adherents to wage war against the non-believer.NONE of the others do that.You are comparing historic accounts to ongoing doctrine of instructions to current Muslims.•“And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers — but if they give over, surely God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is God’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” (Quran 2:191, 192, 193)
•“We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.” (Quran 3:151)
•“This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement…” (Quran 5:33)
•“When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’” (Quran 8:12)
•“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy…” (Quran 8:60)
•“Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Quran 9:5)
•“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.” (Quran 9:29)
•“And when We desire to destroy a city, We command its men who live at ease, and they commit ungodliness therein, then the Word is realized against it, and We destroy it utterly.” (Quran 17:16)
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
...."Only the Koran gives ongoing instructions to current and future adherents...". Wrong--"“Do not say in your heart, after the Lord your God has thrust them out before you, ‘It is because of my righteousness that the Lord has brought me in to possess this land,’ whereas it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is driving them out before you...". --Deuteronomy, 9:4-6.--" “Command the people of Israel, and say to them, When you enter the land of Canaan (this is the land that shall fall to you for an inheritance, the land of Canaan as defined by its borders)...". --Numbers, 34:2Even Ben Gurion commented that the Bible was a nice inspiration to steal land without compensation. And many other Christian Imperial nations had stated the same thing until recentlyReligion can be so convenient for NON Religious actions, like wars, invasions, exploitations...
Adjudant Sun Risings • 6 days ago
Once again, the old Testament, the old order. Before the Ascenscion we operated on the principle of blood, now it is forgiveness, mercy and above all grace. When those scriptures quoted above were written it was before Christianity existed. Acts 11 v 26 states 'The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch', well after the Crucifixion and Resurrection, your argument is null and void at this point
Sun Risings Adjudant • 6 days ago
..."Once again, the old Testament, the old order....". --It's as sacred to Christans as the rest of the Bible. That's the "word of God", and they quote exactly that 'old' book everytime they have a chance. Or it isn't 'sacred' now? Please let me know.
Sun Risings Adjudant • 6 days ago
..."Before the Ascenscion we operated on the principle of blood...". And also after it, for millenia. Just ask the American Natives, and all the indigenous folks who got decimated around the planet, by those sensible, peace loving Christians.You can't judge anyone, if you can't look at yourself in a mirror.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 6 days ago
There is no war on "Amaleks" now> These are biblically recounted battles.The Koran does something entirely different.It gives ongoing instructions to future adherents to use TERROR to spread Islam.That's why Mohammed mercilessly killed people and raped young girls while Christ killed no one and raped no one.
The biblical Christ died out of a love for mankind.
Those who wish to emulate Mohammed will do what Mohamed did.Those who wish to emulate Christ will do what he did.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 6 days ago
..." These are biblically recounted battles....". --Wrong. Many of those are 'prophecies'. And all of them are examples to the 'faithful'. Please let me now when all those violent passages ceased to be 'sacred' and many in the same books still are, according to you.
Sun Risings Adjudant • 6 days ago
That's the "word of God", so it's "sacred".Now, better ask why Christians today don't follow those violent, "sacred" examples, and some muslims do. That's the interesting thing.Denial, won't help you, trust me.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 5 days ago
Because the new Testament preaches "turn the other cheek" and NEVER preaches violence while the old testament recounts historic violence.
Islam is the only religion that instructs current and future followers to violence against non-believers and women.
Period.
Until you can look in the mirror and admit this, you're the one in denial.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."Because the new Testament preaches...". Mmm no. That's not the answer. The New Testament is as sacred as the 'Old' one, and you know it's pretty violent, against women and even genocidal against many others. Try something else......"Islam is the only religion that instructs current and future followers to violence against non-believers and women...". Same as the Crhristian Bible. I can give you MORE examples if you want.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
As pointed out now repeatedly, there are factually no examples of Christ promoting violence and rape. Mohammed both commits these acts and instructs others to do so.
Islam is the greatest purveyor of human slavery on earth because Mohammed told Muslims they can have slaves and Mohammed owned slaves.Jesus never owned slaves, killed, raped or beat women.The effects of these differences are stark and apparent.Your islamofascist apologetics makes you a real asshole too btw.
Truly despicable.
Famous Internet Guy Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. " -- Winston Churchill
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
..."This is why those things have not endured in judeo-christian cultures....". Wrong. They did, for centuries, and many people died...."It is the Koran and Hadiths themselves that tell the believer to spread islam with terror and...". That's the same thing Popes and Bishops ordered to ther 'faithful'. I don't see much difference. Only the timing....The moment Christians separated Religion from Government, things began to change. Some Muslim countries began to do the same 50-60 years ago, but POLITICAL reasons (and a lot of ignorance) marked the revival of Muslin Fundamentalism, and all the fanatic loonies we se today.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 7 days ago
Again you are missing the point.EVERY religion has their historic battles.Only Islam..and in particular Mohammeds later days, preaches open violence against ALL non-believers and incredibly violent misogyny to CURRENT and FUTURE adherents.
...and don't even get me STARTED on what the Hadiths say good Muslims must do to the Jews in the end days.There is no comparison to any of this anywhere in Western religious doctrine.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 4 days ago
..."EVERY religion has their historic battles....". Yeah. And genocidal Prophecies too.. Do you want ANOTHER example of how savage the Bible is?..."Only Islam..and in particular Mohammeds later days, preaches open violence against ALL non-believers and incredibly violent misogyny...". You know that's not true. The Christian Bible has plenty of it. You're like in DENIAL now.If you want to explain that a Fanatism is 'better' than another Fanatism, you're getting closer to the Muslims you hate so much..The share the same opinion about your Religion. And they won't lack evidence, if they want.
Famous Internet Guy Sun Risings • 4 days ago
Incredibly you are still confused about what the facts are.Mohammed is the only religious primary deity that rapes children and kills people.
Jesus didn't kill or rape anyone.
Budha didn't kill and rape anyone.
The God-head of Bagavad Gita didn't kill and rape.Only Mohammed.
That is why Muslims do in the name of AllahIt is why no one else does so in the name of their god.Would you like more details?
Famous Internet Guy Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
If Muslims do what Mohammed did they behave like Al Qaeda.If Christians behave like Christ did, they behave like the Amish.It's the doctrine man...
People are just people.
Sun Risings Famous Internet Guy • 7 days ago
Oh, and now you know the BURKA is not a Muslim Religious Mandate, even if many Muslims (and you) 'think' it is.Fanatism feeds on Ignorance. And both (with whatever Religion you want) can be pretty useful to do the worst things imaginable.
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