LiSao Phil Giordana Fcd • 4 days ago
Ahhh, the racist calling other people racist. I win :). You want to limit freedom of expression for muslims and when you get called out on it, i.e. someone applies the same logic to your situation, you call them xenophobic.. hahah, like I said. Hypocrite.Like I said mr pot kettle, according to you freedom of expression is only for french white males. You're racist and a mysoginist and a hypocrite. I'm not mad, i just feel sorry for you. Au revoir.. ooops, I did it again.Freedom for all.
p1t1o Phil Giordana Fcd • 9 days ago
But in terms of appearance, it is exactly alike to a wetsuit with hood...its hard to see it as a tool to push islamic values, if anything, it moves islamic dress more in the direction of secular values.I was of the impression that it came in the wake of an attack, as understandably, some muslims didnt want to look "too muslim" when at the beach.I find it very hard to have anytihng against a [non-face-concealing] burkini.Especially since divers have been wearing them for decades.
Phil Giordana Fcd p1t1o • 9 days ago
It is not like a wetsuit, because it is intended solely to promulgate a religious, dogmatic propaganda not espoused by a majority of muslims.let me try and get it clearer: an islamist fanatic kills 85 with a truck. A few days later, women in burkinis start popping up on the beaches of Nice. Why do you think that is? Why were there not any before the attack?Are you really that naïve?And before you say I don't know about burkinis before the attacks, I live in a flat fronting the Promenade des Anglais. I have never seen one burkini before the attacks. In one day, 4 fines were delivered to women wearing one on the beach right in front of my house (Carras).Please, don't play into their hands.
p1t1o Phil Giordana Fcd • 9 days ago
Steady now, Im ostensibly on your side.For example, were there no muslim *women* around before the attack? Or just no burkinis?Because like I say, its not surprising that the burkini came about after an attack. I wouldnt want to dress too muslim after that either.Please dont you play into their hands either. ISIS have stated in plain language that one of their motives is to alienate foreign muslim populations from the non-muslim communities in which they have chosen to live.
Phil Giordana Fcd p1t1o • 9 days ago
There were muslim women around before the attack. No burkini whatsoever."Because like I say, its not surprising that the burkini came about after
an attack. I wouldnt want to dress too muslim after that either."I can't make sense of that. The burkini came out after the attack because it makes sense to not dress too muslim after the attack? What?ISIS (and any other islamic bastard organization) want to sow dissent. That's 100% true, as do other apocalyptic sects. And somehow it's working. So what?
p1t1o Phil Giordana Fcd • 9 days ago
"The burkini came out after the attack because it makes sense to not dress too muslim after the attack? What?"Obviously after an attack there is a lot of suspicion and anger agianst all muslims. It makes sense that a faily moderate muslim might want to tone dwon their muslim attire so as not to arouse so much of these feelings. In the extreme case, to avoid agression.I see the burkini as such a "toned down" muslim dress."ISIS (and any other islamic bastard organization) want to sow dissent. That's 100% true, as do other apocalyptic sects. And somehow it's working. So what?"Not to get too personal, I do mean this in a neutral, detached manner, but you yourself display a (somewhat understandable) degree of anger against all muslims due to the attacks, you are contributing to the "somehow its working".
Phil Giordana Fcd p1t1o • 9 days ago
"I see the burkini as such a "toned down" muslim dress."Ok, you're an idiot as regarding this subject. Thanks for the discussion, though.
p1t1o Phil Giordana Fcd • 9 days ago
"Ok, you're an idiot as regarding this subject. Thanks for the discussion, though."Ok, you're an idiot as regarding this subject. Thanks for the discussion, though.
Phil Giordana Fcd p1t1o • 9 days ago
Do you think muslim women usually take a bath in the sea wearing burkas? have you ever met a muslim woman?How is wearing a burkini "toned down"?
SassyMissDem Phil Giordana Fcd • 7 days ago
Well, wait a minute. I distinctly remember seeing the birkini last year, and in 2014, I remember seeing a story on them on the Internet. I was in the hospital at the time and had lots of free time on my hands, and didn't like TV much. They originate from Australia; a Muslim lady invented them so Muslim women could be on the beaches with their kids and go surfing. She even made a special version for female Muslim lifeguards.So I wouldn't say they were that unusual, except that maybe they hadn't made it to Europe until this year.In any case, I rather like the three quarter sleeve and Capri version. More practical than a swim dress. The short skirt billows out and you look like a flower floating in the pool.https://www.theguardian.com/co...And I've seen versions marketed to Orthodox Jewish women, so.Oh, I was wrong, she invented it in 2004.
p1t1o Phil Giordana Fcd • 9 days ago
I figure you probably dont want to discuss it with someone who is an idiot on the subject.I only have so much effort to spare, you want a discussion, learn to communicate.
LiSao Phil Giordana Fcd • 5 days ago
" live in a flat fronting the Promenade des Anglais. I have never seen one burkini before the attacks."so you were keeping constant watch on the beach and can say with absolute certainty that there were no burkinis on the beach before that day?
Number Six kingnotail • 9 days ago
Makes it more difficult to ogle beautiful Muslim women at the beach. Quite a shame really.
El • 9 days ago
It can be argued that these bans are human rights violations.
There are more Muslim countries that do not allow foreign women to go in public uncovered or unaccompanied by a male relative! There are also a lot of women in Muslim countries that defend, very often fiercely, their right to follow their traditions.
And finally, there are many Muslims that tell us bluntly that it's not our right even to express our opinion, let alone criticise.
Every foreigner in another country must respect the culture and the customs of that country. Foreign women then should not co uncovered in Saudi Arabia, as Muslim women cannot go covered in Italy! This makes these bans on the list the correct thing to do!.
Muslim women that tolerate being treated a little more than chattel in their own countries is their right to do so! They will not be treated the same in other countries, despite their protests!
Muslims that want to impose their customs, culture and their sharia on a host country, have absolutely no right to do so, even when their religion is the most 'perfect' one! If they don't like it, nobody's keeping them to go back to their 'paradise!' The door to go back is still open, as it was open when they came in! You don't like it? Get out!
When Islam is the 'ultimate' truth and it is inconceivable that even an iota, or the Arabic equivalent, can be changed, considered an apostasy, an offence punishable by death, then they will constantly remain in the 7th century!
A 'Twilight Zone' existence they are responsible! And nobody else!
Ivan ™ El • 9 days ago
Finally some common sense.Everyone is too busy jumping on the bandwagon of " let them wear what they want" without thinking about the real issues like the ones you mentioned.There also the matter of security its like entering a bank wearing a balaclava.
Anomandaris Ivan ™ • 9 days ago
IMO, they can wear whatever the fuck they want. In their countries. If they dont like how we roll, get the fuck out and dont come back.
LiSao Anomandaris • 5 days ago
Yeah! They're taking all the misogyny from all the red blooded, white males! I remember the good old days where we didn't have to fight against the brownies to oppress our women. This is the west and we love freedom! and if they don't do as we say and dress as we say then they hate our freedom! You know what? If women don't dress as we tell them they can leave too!More rights for men! Caveat: Only white men!(sarcasm, obviously).Note: I don't believe men have a right to tell ANY woman how to dress and this is just another attempt at the patriarchy at removing the hard fought rights women currently have.
firefly Anomandaris • 8 days ago
Nailed it. If they want to dress like a fucking mailbox, hide their faces and deliberately try to set themselves apart, then they can kindly fuck off back to the third world shitholes they originated from. I hope more countries start banning this backward Islamic shit.
psage Anomandaris • 9 days ago
reminds me of what a cabbie from america said to a cabbie from egypt, "do you see pyramids here, this is america if you don't like the way we do things here then go the bleep back home"
JS El • 6 days ago
"There are more Muslim countries that do not allow foreign women to go in public uncovered or unaccompanied by a male relative!"Other than some of the Gulf nations and possibly Iran (probably not), how many Muslim nations do this? You love interchanging Saudi Arabia, nation of 20-30 million and then "Muslims, the whole 1.8 billion of them. Like the two are the same.
Keeblertex El • 9 days ago
Sadly it's not them that tell us that. We are quite actively brainwashing ourselves.
Mom424 Mod p1t1o • 9 days ago
Yes and no. It's definitely an issue. The line between personal security and personal freedoms is important....and shifting. We're letting the bad guys win. I don't like it.
Solaire of Astora Mom424 • 9 days ago
Don't worry. White males have a destructive streak the likes the world has never witnessed. There's a line and it will be crossed. And I'm a pacifist, but I can't see nothing drastic being done about ISIL for example
OldBoris Solaire of Astora • 9 days ago
"White males have a destructive streak the likes the world has never witnessed."That would be Chinese males, actually. Of the ten deadliest wars in human history, six took place almost completely within China (although Japan was involved in one) and one took place partially within China (as China was partially subjugated by the invading Mongols). These wars are all the more interesting because they took place at a time when the world's population was much lower than it is today, so relatively speaking Chinese wars are by far the deadliest in human history. Five Chinese wars even had a higher death toll than World War I.It's a crying shame that Chinese history isn't covered well in European and American schools, because it's at least as interesting as European history.
Mom424 Mod Solaire of Astora • 9 days ago
I agree. Motherfuckers need killing. I can't see any other way about it.
Solaire of Astora Mom424 • 9 days ago
Same and I won't even kill an ant. Those people (ISIS) are enemies to all of humanity! Monsters is an understatement
Mom424 Mod Solaire of Astora • 9 days ago
I'm ok with earwigs and slugs and snails (although I usually get someone else to squish the snails, crunchy and then wet and squishy makes me nauseous).
Solaire of Astora Mom424 • 9 days ago
Aww I feel like a brute when I kill tiny things. I think it's cos I'm 6'1 and 13 stone I seem to tower over them like a giant... Pity overcomes me lol
Anomandaris Solaire of Astora • 8 days ago
No way! You weigh 13 stones? I weigh 240 cantaloupe!Seriously though, its 2016. You can go ahead and uses pounds as a measurement. :-)Do you measure height in hands (like we do with horses)?
Solaire of Astora Anomandaris • 8 days ago
No I'm English we do it all in miles and stones and I'm not changing. Humans have never been measured in hands, and I clearly use feet as I stated in 6'1 ;)
Fuzzybunny Solaire of Astora • 9 days ago
Not enough being done to be sure!
Feel like a useless tosser after I read about the YPJ.....
Solaire of Astora Fuzzybunny • 9 days ago
Aye I love those women!! I admire them so much.Salute to our sisters!!!
p1t1o Mom424 • 9 days ago
Its an issue, but the list is a pretty heavy-handed way to stir up discussion. Or "discussion" as the case may be.I'd have liked "countries that impose a ban on islamic dress" to have been a single entry on a list of "ways islamic fanaticism is opposed" or something like that. Perhaps comparing it to some other more civilised methods that work maybe?I don't know what else would be on that hypothetical list, perhaps Im being too pedantic or asking for too much, but something about this list (apart from the issue at hand) bothers me.
Mom424 Mod p1t1o • 9 days ago
It could have a less inflammatory title—10 Places That Justify Banning of Religious Attire, maybe. I've read in the news that some of these decrees have been found un-lawful and struck down too. I'm thinking it was a burkini at the beach ban.
p1t1o Mom424 • 9 days ago
some part of me does think that there may be some long-term benefit to be had form some places imposing ill-advised laws and having them struck off a short time later.It shows us that something *can* be done, despite the risk of "offending" people, it also shows us what *not* to do going forward perhaps helps the lawmakers move towards a real solution.Whether it is worth the risk of letting an oppressive law remain permanent, is another debate.
Phil Giordana Fcd p1t1o • 8 days ago
Well yes, that should be the point of those temporary decrees (they are limited on dates and hours. From 9:30am to 6:30pm until mid-September, IIRC). But I've said that a couple of times in comments above.For an example of how those decrees are easy to abuse: A few weeks ago, a muslim woman dressed and wearing a hijab was ordered to leave the beach. She wasn't swimming or sun-bathing, just spending some time with her husband and young daughter. Yet, the Police Municipale ordered the family to leave the beach and the dad had to go take his daughter out of the water. Seriously, that made my blood boil.Those decrees do make a point, one that I agree with, but in the end they should be dropped because they will eventually be abused and lead to more tensions. The example above is a pretty clear one.
Fuzzybunny p1t1o • 9 days ago
Ban controversy-bait disguises!
(that worked better in my head, oh well)
K. Shah • 9 days ago
When muslims complain about curtialment of their freedom to wear burkhas, they very conveniently forget countries like Saudi Arabia and Quatar where even non muslims ladies have to wear the burkhas in public. Or Pakistan where a single accusation of blasphemy against a non muslim can land him in jail - no questions asked. Compared to these draconian laws, the burkha ban is almost nothing. Furthermore if they still insist on wearing burkhas why are they staying in Europe. They are free to go back to their own native countries.
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